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		<title>By: Just teasing! A teasel frame from the Museum of Early Trades and Crafts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just teasing! A teasel frame from the Museum of Early Trades and Crafts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [1] “Two Teasels: The Medieval Garden Enclosed,” Metropolitan Museum of Art, The Cloisters Blog. http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2009/10/16/two-teasels/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [1] “Two Teasels: The Medieval Garden Enclosed,” Metropolitan Museum of Art, The Cloisters Blog. <a href="http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2009/10/16/two-teasels/"  rel="nofollow">http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2009/10/16/two-teasels/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Larkin</title>
		<link>http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2009/10/16/two-teasels/comment-page-1/#comment-9285</link>
		<dc:creator>Deirdre Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Dee---

Please forgive the unconscionably long time it has taken me to get back to you, but I wasn't familiar with the plant you mentioned and needed to do a little research. 

Bitter vetch or heath pea (&lt;em&gt;Lathyrus linifolius &lt;/em&gt;or &lt;em&gt;Lathyrus montanus&lt;/em&gt;)
is not on our medieval plant list (compiled from many sources over many years) and has not been grown here at The Cloisters, nor could I find it in any of the standard references on medieval medicinal plants. 

I did find some references online. Bitter vetch seems to have gotten a lot of attention in the &lt;a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-527413/How-herb-Charles-II-used-royal-mistresses-shape-help-fight-todays-obesity-epidemic.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;U.K. press &lt;/a&gt;in recent years as a possible aid in weight loss. This member of the pea family was among the medicinal plant remains discovered at an archaeological excavation of the fourteenth century &lt;a href="http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&#038;id=54532" rel="nofollow"&gt;Soutra Aisle &lt;/a&gt;monastery near Edinburgh.

My guess would be that the use of the heath pea might have been very local. It may not have been used as an appetite suppressant outside of Scotland, although the &lt;em&gt;RHS Index to Garden Plants &lt;/em&gt;lists it as native to central and western Europe.

Vetches have been resorted to &lt;a href="http://www.grainlegumes.com/aep/special_reports/vetches_from_feed_to_food/vetches_from_feed_to_food" rel="nofollow"&gt;as famine foods &lt;/a&gt;for many centuries. 
It may be that the appetite-suppressing property of the bitter vetch was discovered in that way. In any case, I will be looking for more information on medieval usage and documentation, and may well add it to our plant list. Thank you for the lead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Dee&#8212;</p>
<p>Please forgive the unconscionably long time it has taken me to get back to you, but I wasn&#8217;t familiar with the plant you mentioned and needed to do a little research. </p>
<p>Bitter vetch or heath pea (<em>Lathyrus linifolius </em>or <em>Lathyrus montanus</em>)<br />
is not on our medieval plant list (compiled from many sources over many years) and has not been grown here at The Cloisters, nor could I find it in any of the standard references on medieval medicinal plants. </p>
<p>I did find some references online. Bitter vetch seems to have gotten a lot of attention in the <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-527413/How-herb-Charles-II-used-royal-mistresses-shape-help-fight-todays-obesity-epidemic.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-527413/How-herb-Charles-II-used-royal-mistresses-shape-help-fight-todays-obesity-epidemic.html');" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.dailymail.co.uk');">U.K. press </a>in recent years as a possible aid in weight loss. This member of the pea family was among the medicinal plant remains discovered at an archaeological excavation of the fourteenth century <a href="http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&#038;id=54532" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&#038;id=54532');" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk');">Soutra Aisle </a>monastery near Edinburgh.</p>
<p>My guess would be that the use of the heath pea might have been very local. It may not have been used as an appetite suppressant outside of Scotland, although the <em>RHS Index to Garden Plants </em>lists it as native to central and western Europe.</p>
<p>Vetches have been resorted to <a href="http://www.grainlegumes.com/aep/special_reports/vetches_from_feed_to_food/vetches_from_feed_to_food" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.grainlegumes.com/aep/special_reports/vetches_from_feed_to_food/vetches_from_feed_to_food');" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.grainlegumes.com');">as famine foods </a>for many centuries.<br />
It may be that the appetite-suppressing property of the bitter vetch was discovered in that way. In any case, I will be looking for more information on medieval usage and documentation, and may well add it to our plant list. Thank you for the lead!</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Larkin</title>
		<link>http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2009/10/16/two-teasels/comment-page-1/#comment-8232</link>
		<dc:creator>Deirdre Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Nancy---

There's seems to be some disagreement as to whether teasel was formerly used to card wool---i.e, to clean and separate the raw fibers. Its primary use was to raise the nap on woolen cloth once it was woven. I think you probably do have the wild or medicinal one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Nancy&#8212;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s seems to be some disagreement as to whether teasel was formerly used to card wool&#8212;i.e, to clean and separate the raw fibers. Its primary use was to raise the nap on woolen cloth once it was woven. I think you probably do have the wild or medicinal one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a surprise birthday gift for my Friend on October 22nd, I took her to the Cloisters. We arrived just in time for the Garden Tour, which was very enjoyable and we both learned so much about the preferred garden variety flora of those times.   Although I can't recall the name of our Tour Guide, she was a joy to learn from! She was very pleasant and most informative.  I voiced a question at the end of the tour and the Guide told me to come to this sight and ask.  My question is this...Did any of the herbal gardens include the herb "Bitter Vetch", also known as, "Heath Pea"? I have tried to locate this Scottish native plant here in the states with limited information. Perhaps you can help. Thank You for your time. I am looking forward to hearing from you in the future.....Dee/Windsong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a surprise birthday gift for my Friend on October 22nd, I took her to the Cloisters. We arrived just in time for the Garden Tour, which was very enjoyable and we both learned so much about the preferred garden variety flora of those times.   Although I can&#8217;t recall the name of our Tour Guide, she was a joy to learn from! She was very pleasant and most informative.  I voiced a question at the end of the tour and the Guide told me to come to this sight and ask.  My question is this&#8230;Did any of the herbal gardens include the herb &#8220;Bitter Vetch&#8221;, also known as, &#8220;Heath Pea&#8221;? I have tried to locate this Scottish native plant here in the states with limited information. Perhaps you can help. Thank You for your time. I am looking forward to hearing from you in the future&#8230;..Dee/Windsong</p>
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		<title>By: thea mcginnis</title>
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		<dc:creator>thea mcginnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is teasel the same as thistle? they look so much alike. i love using these wild ones as standalones in vases. they are fascinating to look at. I love its history as part of carding wool. thanks, again, for this information. thea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is teasel the same as thistle? they look so much alike. i love using these wild ones as standalones in vases. they are fascinating to look at. I love its history as part of carding wool. thanks, again, for this information. thea</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Heraud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Heraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So nice to know I have a plant that was in the medieval garden!  I bought mine because of the catalog description talking about carding wool.  I guess I must have the medicinal one.  Learn something new always from your blog!  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So nice to know I have a plant that was in the medieval garden!  I bought mine because of the catalog description talking about carding wool.  I guess I must have the medicinal one.  Learn something new always from your blog!  Thanks.</p>
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