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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Asons</title>
		<link>http://blog.metmuseum.org/cloistersgardens/2010/03/24/hell-flowers/comment-page-1/#comment-104006</link>
		<dc:creator>Asons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 11:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it fascinating that Hellebore was used to treat deafness many many years ago. The information that you can find really is fascinating!

Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it fascinating that Hellebore was used to treat deafness many many years ago. The information that you can find really is fascinating!</p>
<p>Laura</p>
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		<title>By: homeschool curriculum</title>
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		<dc:creator>homeschool curriculum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 12:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. I was checking continuously this blog and I am impressed! Very useful information specifically the remaining section :) I maintain such information a lot. I used to be looking for this certain information for a very long time. Thanks and good luck.</description>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Phyllis,

Michael Weishan, author of The New Traditional Garden:  A Practical Guide to Creating and Restoring Authentic American Gardens for Homes of All Ages (1999), dates the introduction of Helleborus orientalis to American gardens as 1850.  You may find his dated plant list very helpful in your research.  You should also consult Restoring American Gardens: An Encyclopedia of Heirloom Ornamental Plants  1640-1940 by Denise Wiles Adams. (2004) Hellebores have been the subject of very extesive breeding programs for some time now.  While I do think Lenten roses would be appropriate in your garden, many of the hybrids now available would be different in form and aspect than a garden hellebore of 1909, but you could doubtless find older cultivars if you wanted to keep strictly to the period. 

Enjoy yourself---I'm sure you'll have a very wide range of beautiful plants to choose from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Phyllis,</p>
<p>Michael Weishan, author of The New Traditional Garden:  A Practical Guide to Creating and Restoring Authentic American Gardens for Homes of All Ages (1999), dates the introduction of Helleborus orientalis to American gardens as 1850.  You may find his dated plant list very helpful in your research.  You should also consult Restoring American Gardens: An Encyclopedia of Heirloom Ornamental Plants  1640-1940 by Denise Wiles Adams. (2004) Hellebores have been the subject of very extesive breeding programs for some time now.  While I do think Lenten roses would be appropriate in your garden, many of the hybrids now available would be different in form and aspect than a garden hellebore of 1909, but you could doubtless find older cultivars if you wanted to keep strictly to the period. </p>
<p>Enjoy yourself&#8212;I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll have a very wide range of beautiful plants to choose from.</p>
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		<title>By: Phyllis Ginsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phyllis Ginsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did helleborus orientalis begin to appear in American gardens?  I maintain the garden of a c. 1909 Arts and Crafts house belonging to the Long Beach (New York) Historical Society.  We recently received and planted helleborus orientalis seedlings.  Arts and Crafts Gardens did often contain what were for the period unusual plants.  Would helleborus orientalis have been found in a 1909-1925 American garden?

Any light you can shed on this will be warmly appreciated.  Thank you.
Phyllis Ginsberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did helleborus orientalis begin to appear in American gardens?  I maintain the garden of a c. 1909 Arts and Crafts house belonging to the Long Beach (New York) Historical Society.  We recently received and planted helleborus orientalis seedlings.  Arts and Crafts Gardens did often contain what were for the period unusual plants.  Would helleborus orientalis have been found in a 1909-1925 American garden?</p>
<p>Any light you can shed on this will be warmly appreciated.  Thank you.<br />
Phyllis Ginsberg</p>
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		<title>By: Flowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 02:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always amazes me how that something that is so pretty such as these flowers can be poisonous and deadly. Equally amazing is the fact that even though some are deadly if properly used can be utilized for medicinal purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always amazes me how that something that is so pretty such as these flowers can be poisonous and deadly. Equally amazing is the fact that even though some are deadly if properly used can be utilized for medicinal purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kari,

Helleborus niger was so called because of the black roots characteristic of the species, without regard to the color of the flowers, which are white.  I was not aware of the Danish publication on hellebores, but am interested to learn that the Danish name for our Lenten rose is Easter bell.  

Thank you for the information,
Deirdre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kari,</p>
<p>Helleborus niger was so called because of the black roots characteristic of the species, without regard to the color of the flowers, which are white.  I was not aware of the Danish publication on hellebores, but am interested to learn that the Danish name for our Lenten rose is Easter bell.  </p>
<p>Thank you for the information,<br />
Deirdre</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Alain,

Thank you so much for your etymological explication.  I am very familiar with antonymy in the context of ancient religion---e.g., naming the Furies not as the Erinyes, the angry ones, but as the Eumenides, the kindly ones.  I have not encountered an antonymous name for an ancient plant before.  While your parallel with the Greek designations for right and left is clear, is it possible that hellebore was invoked as a magico-medicinal ally in remote antiquity, and that the flattering name was used to placate an entity perceived as powerful to do harm?  Let me know what you think when you have the time.

Regards,
Deirdre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alain,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your etymological explication.  I am very familiar with antonymy in the context of ancient religion&#8212;e.g., naming the Furies not as the Erinyes, the angry ones, but as the Eumenides, the kindly ones.  I have not encountered an antonymous name for an ancient plant before.  While your parallel with the Greek designations for right and left is clear, is it possible that hellebore was invoked as a magico-medicinal ally in remote antiquity, and that the flattering name was used to placate an entity perceived as powerful to do harm?  Let me know what you think when you have the time.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Deirdre</p>
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		<title>By: Kari Lønning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari Lønning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how, or when did the 'black hellebores' become the white flowers now associated with H.niger?  

I just came across a new book: Juleroser og Påskeklokker (Christmas Roses and Easter Bells) by Claus Dalby, in Danish. Maybe you haven't seen it yet ~ http://bit.ly/bfqvPI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how, or when did the &#8216;black hellebores&#8217; become the white flowers now associated with H.niger?  </p>
<p>I just came across a new book: Juleroser og Påskeklokker (Christmas Roses and Easter Bells) by Claus Dalby, in Danish. Maybe you haven&#8217;t seen it yet ~ <a href="http://bit.ly/bfqvPI" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://bit.ly/bfqvPI');" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bfqvPI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alain Touwaide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain Touwaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The etymology traditionally accepted ("eaten by fawns"; "the food of fawns") has been revised. In this view, instead of "eaten by fawns", the name would rather mean "good grazing". 

The word is a compound. On linguistic grounds, its first element (helle-)has been supposed to come from Arcadian (Arcadia being in fact a pastoral area, a land of grazing) and to mean "good" (corresponding to classical Greek esthlos, which, in Arcadian, was (h)eslos &#62; (h)ellos). 

The fact that a toxic plant is considered good -- and named on this basis -- may seem strange. However, it is an antonym (that is, using a name that signifies the exact opposite of what the object is about, particularly when this object is considered to be negative [here toxic]). 

This linguistic use was not rare in Antiquity. The clearest case is the concept of "left": since the left side was considered to be negative (it was linked with the death), "left" was called "the best [side]" in ancient Greek, while the right side was just called "the right side". 

Returning to helleboros, calling it a "good grazing" was a way to flag the plant as toxic.

Through this process of antonymy, we discover that ancient Greeks -- already in a remote Antiquity, well before Classical Antiquity -- were perfectly aware of the toxic effects of hellebore. This is the interest of this type of research, which transforms words into keys to understand how ancient populations (in the specific case here, the Greeks) viewed the world and constructed such vision in a coherent way.

Hope this helps.

Alain Touwaide
Scientific Director
Institute for the Preservation of Medical Traditions
http://medicaltraditions.org
research@medicaltraditions.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The etymology traditionally accepted (&#8221;eaten by fawns&#8221;; &#8220;the food of fawns&#8221;) has been revised. In this view, instead of &#8220;eaten by fawns&#8221;, the name would rather mean &#8220;good grazing&#8221;. </p>
<p>The word is a compound. On linguistic grounds, its first element (helle-)has been supposed to come from Arcadian (Arcadia being in fact a pastoral area, a land of grazing) and to mean &#8220;good&#8221; (corresponding to classical Greek esthlos, which, in Arcadian, was (h)eslos &gt; (h)ellos). </p>
<p>The fact that a toxic plant is considered good &#8212; and named on this basis &#8212; may seem strange. However, it is an antonym (that is, using a name that signifies the exact opposite of what the object is about, particularly when this object is considered to be negative [here toxic]). </p>
<p>This linguistic use was not rare in Antiquity. The clearest case is the concept of &#8220;left&#8221;: since the left side was considered to be negative (it was linked with the death), &#8220;left&#8221; was called &#8220;the best [side]&#8221; in ancient Greek, while the right side was just called &#8220;the right side&#8221;. </p>
<p>Returning to helleboros, calling it a &#8220;good grazing&#8221; was a way to flag the plant as toxic.</p>
<p>Through this process of antonymy, we discover that ancient Greeks &#8212; already in a remote Antiquity, well before Classical Antiquity &#8212; were perfectly aware of the toxic effects of hellebore. This is the interest of this type of research, which transforms words into keys to understand how ancient populations (in the specific case here, the Greeks) viewed the world and constructed such vision in a coherent way.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Alain Touwaide<br />
Scientific Director<br />
Institute for the Preservation of Medical Traditions<br />
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